Oct 29 2009

Are you Buying into the Rocket Program?

Oleh Kosel

Houston, do we have a problem?  Perhaps.  This season, the Rockets will be starting the year without any star players on the court.  Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady are, what else, taking another injury vacation.  Ron Artest left town for the greener pastures of Los Angeles.  So what can the beloved Rocket faithful expect from a team full of solid complimentary players and a bunch of unprovens?

John Hollinger predicts they’ll finish 9th in the Western Conference while ESPN analysts as a whole have them finishing around 10th.  Dave Berri of Wages of Win Journal thinks they have a good chance of finishing with over 40 wins and gives them a chance to make the playoffs.

Why are these NBA analysts so high on a team that seems to be lacking so much firepower?  Well, they’re believers in the rest of the roster.  The Rockets have a lot of excellent complimentary players in Trevor Ariza, Shane Battier, Chuck Hayes, Carl Landry, Kyle Lowry and Luis Scola.  Specifically, these guys, coined ‘low usage high efficiency players’, all post above average Wins Produced by doing a lot of stuff outside of putting up huge scoring numbers.

Many of these analysts think they’ll be able to keep up similar production with a simple increase in minutes.  Herein lies the problem in my opinion.  Asking a few solid players to step up is probably sound.  Asking most of these low usage guys to become high usage guys?  I have a hard time believing it’s as simple as a linear equation.  They are going to have to spend more time on the court but produce AT LEAST at the same rate as prior years.  Don’t forget more than a few of them are also going to have to develop a high volume FG mentality.

When you remove both a McGrady and Ming, what happens?

Opposing defenses now don’t have to concentrate on the highly skilled offensive player(s).  All of a sudden, the complimentary guys become the focal point as they can’t pass off the ball anymore to the star to make something happen.  The onus is in Ariza’s, Scola’s or whomever’s hands to beat that shot clock.  Now, these players who are not adept at handling solid defensive pressure will be called on to make plays possession after possession.

To help illustrate this fact, I took a look at 2006-07 Rockets team?  Why?  They had a multitude of solid win producers like the current Rocket’s team, but more importantly, had 5 games in which both McGrady and Yao Ming missed.  Dikembe Mutombo, Shane Battier, Chuck Hayes, Luther Head, Rafer Alston, Kirk Snyder and Juwan Howard were the 7 primary guys besides the two stars.  Based on their Wins Produced, they should have been close to an average team coming in with 37 wins.

Do you know what they did in those 5 games?  They shot a putrid 38.3% (150-392) from the field and posted an abysmal assists to turnover ratio (71 assists compared to 65 turnovers).  Since they were solid players, they were able to stay close in most of the games (avg loss of 7.2 points) and were only out-rebounded by 4.4 boards.  However, not to win a single game against squads like the 40-win Clippers, 32-win Portland or, my favorite, a 24-win Boston Celtic team?  Yikes!

This years Rocket’s main 7 (Ariza, Battier, Hayes, Landry, Scola, Lowry and Aaron Brooks) have a combined 36.2 wins based on last year’s statistics.  Sounds a lot like the 2006-07 group as they both have solid complimentary players but appear to lack at least a couple of proven scoring mentalities.

If preseason is any indicator, Rockets may indeed be in trouble as they put up a mediocre 4-4 record.  The team combined to shoot a respectable 44% (283-641) from the field but their assists (151) and turnovers (140) were pretty bad.  In addition, new team member, Trevor Ariza, saw his efficiency and rebounding go down from last season.

So far, through two games this season, the Rockets have managed one very fortunate win against the Warriors last night.  They needed every bit of the 12 of 26 shots from 3 point range to eek out a 1 point win.  Despite that peformance, they still have a dismal 41.9% overall field goal percentage on the young season.

Also, it can’t be oversimplified what consistent hardship and failure must do to one’s overall game after enjoying success the last several years.  Consistently putting up more shots than one’s accustomed to while becoming much less adept.    Less cheering/excitement for home games.  Local media outlets start talking about the lottery.  The overall lack of positive feelings have a good chance to eventually weigh on the psyche’s on most of the players during the course of 82 games.

I like Ball Don’t Lie’s prediction of a record of 37-45 which precludes Tracy making it back at some point.  This team will not have a chance on sniffing the playoffs unless Tracy McGrady shows a return to All-Star form in the majority of this season’s games.  Or I guess a young player like Aaron Brooks could try and don some wings and a halo too.


Oct 27 2009

The Defensive GOAT

Phil Londen

Of all the great basketball debates, none is more divisive than the Kobe Bryant versus Michael Jordan debate. In all likelihood, there will never be consensus as to who should be the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time), especially if Kobe picks up another couple of rings before hangin’ em up. The debate is so compelling because Bryant and Jordan are/were shooting guards that dominated their respective eras.

The GOAT

The 23-versus-24 debate often centers around weak arguments, comparing apples to oranges or relying on the subjective rather than the objective. The NBA’s official basketball magazine, Hoop,  just committed such a transgression when it made a general argument claiming that Bryant was a much better defender than Jordan.

Before presenting the full quote, consider the context. In recapping the 2008-09 season, Hoop compiled lists of various sorts. Top buzzer beaters. Top teams. Top regular season performances. In all, the categories were more or less pedestrian and what you would expect. However the perimeter defender, put Kobe Bryant third overall, after Houston’s Shane Battier and Atlanta’s Marvin Williams.

For the record, there’s nothing wrong with Bryant at third overall (I would argue with Marvin at second though) but the blurb explaining why Bryant deserves to be number three for 2008-09 is where the problem lies.

Bryant has oftentimes been compared to Michael Jordan unfairly, but if there’s one aspect of their games which KB24 comes out on top it’s been defense. While Jordan developed into an elite defender with time, Bryant has been a top-notch defender from the time he first stepped foot onto an NBA court. During his first two years in the League, Bryant was the guy that L.A. brought off the bench to cool off a hot hand. His athletic gifts, length and high basketball understanding enabled him to frustrate scorers. His role has since changed, but when the game is tight, you’ll always see #24 manning up against the other team’s top dog.

Source: Hoop, September/October 2009

Ignoring the fact that there is no reason to bring Jordan into the debate as to why Bryant deserves consideration as the third best perimeter defender in 2008-09, the numbers just don’t support the claims that Hoop is making in the above quote (reproduced in it’s entirety to provide the full context). With Bryant beginning his thirteenth season, it is only fair to compare Jordan’s first twelve seasons to Kobe’s first twelve.

First, take a look at the two main claims Hoop is making in their argument:

Claim Number One: Bryant has oftentimes been compared to Michael Jordan unfairly, but if there’s one aspect of their games which KB24 comes out on top it’s been defense.

Claim Number Two: While Jordan developed into an elite defender with time, Bryant has been a top-notch defender from the time he first stepped foot onto an NBA court.

Next, examine the corresponding statistics and facts, all courtesy of the web’s finest online basketball statistics site, Basketball Reference.

To compare Michael’s and Kobe’s defensive abilities objectively, we’ll examine several viable angles.  First, we’ll look at individual defensive awards, such as All-Defensive Team honors and Defensive Player of the Year Awards.

  • All-Defensive First Team: Bryant 7, Jordan 8
  • All-Defensive Second Team: Bryant 2, Jordan 0
  • Total All-Defensive Team: Bryant 9, Jordan 8
  • Defensive Player of the Year: Bryant 0, Jordan 1

Bryant has the edge on total All-Defensive teams in his first twelve seasons. However, all of Jordan’s appearances were on the First Team, while Bryant appeared on the Second Team twice. It is more or less a push. However, the edge goes to Jordan with the Defensive Player of the Year Award, which is considered the most prestigious defensive award in the Association.

Second, individual defensive statistics provide another objective means of comparison. Two such metrics are Defensive Win Shares (an estimate of the number of wins a player contributed to his team through his defense) and individual Defensive Ratings (an estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions). With  Defensive Ratings, it is important to compare it relative to each year’s average, as it fluctuates from season to season. Remember with D-Ratings, a negative differential is more desirable than a positive differential (Offensive Ratings are the exact opposite). With Win Shares, the scale is static as there is a consistent number of possible wins per season (82).

Bryant’s Numbers

SeasonAgeDRtgAVGDIFFDWS
1996-9718105.0107.9-2.91.3
1997-9819106.0105.01.01.8
1998-9920104.0102.21.81.5
1999-002198.0104.1-6.14.5
2000-0122105.0103.02.02.2
2001-0223103.0104.5-1.53.8
2002-0324103.0103.6-0.64.0
2003-0425102.0102.9-0.93.0
2004-0526111.0106.14.91.0
2005-0627105.0106.2-1.23.7
2006-0728109.0106.52.52.2
2007-0829105.0107.5-2.54.3
2008-0930106.0108.3-2.34.0
AverageN/A104.8105.2-0.42.9

Over his first twelve seasons, Bryant’s average D-Rating was 104.8 compared to a 105.2 D-Rating over the same period giving him a differential of -0.4. In Defensive Win Shares, Bryant was good for an average of 2.9 per season. These numbers both provide support for the claim that Bryant was an above average defender.

But are they better than Jordan’s numbers?

Jordan’s Numbers

SeasonAgeDRtgAVGDIFFDWS
1984-8521107.0107.9-0.93.7
1985-8622107.0107.2-0.20.5
1986-8723104.0108.3-4.35.0
1987-8824101.0108.0-7.06.1
1988-8925103.0107.8-4.85.2
1989-9026106.0108.1-2.14.3
1990-9127102.0107.9-5.95.4
1991-9228102.0108.2-6.25.6
1992-9329102.0108.0-6.05.2
1994-9531103.0108.3-5.31.1
1995-9632100.0107.6-7.66.2
1996-9733102.0106.7-4.75.0
AverageN/A103.3107.8-4.64.4

Over Michael’s first twelve seasons, his D-Rating was 103.3 versus a league average of 107.8, working out to a net -4.6. In Defensive Win Shares terms, MJ contributed an average of 4.4 wins per season through his defense alone. These statistics seem to support the claims that Jordan was an excellent defender and, subsequently, he was a better defender than the Black Mamba.

When you consider both individual defensive awards and the individual defensive statistics available, Hoop’s first claim that Bryant is a better defender than Jordan seriously fails to hold water.  Hence, let’s move onto the second claim that KB was a better defender than Jordan early on in their respective years.

We’ll narrow the twelve season data down to just the first five seasons and look at the same metrics and awards. In terms of Defensive Win Shares per season, Jordan finished in the top ten three separate times (1986-87: 4th, 1987-88:  3rd, 1988-89: 5th); Bryant accomplished the same feat only once (1999-00: 10th). In terms of D-Ratings, Jordan finished in the top ten during one season (1987-88: 6th) with Bryant never accomplishing the same feat. Edge: Jordan.

For individual defensive awards during the first five seasons, the evidence is similarly conclusive. Bryant was named to two All-Defensive Teams (1999-00: 1st; 2000-01: 2nd). Jordan was selected for two All-Defensive Teams (1987-88: 1st; 1988-89: 1st). During that same time span, Jordan also earned his only Defensive Player of the Year Award (1987-88). Again, Michael is the clear-cut winner.

Considering the aforementioned evidence, it is clear that Hoop’s second claim is also not supported by the evidence.

In the end, Hoop’s two main claims that Bryant was the better defender both overall and early-on during their respective careers both wither under scrutiny. Although it seems to run against reason, Jordan’s defense is actually consistently underrated, despite being widely promoted as the GOAT.

While there is no inherent problem in arguing that one player is better than another, it is important to support such claims with some sort of empirical evidence then mere subjectivity. In failing to bolster their primary claims in regards to Bryant’s and Jordan’s defensive abilities, Hoop did a disservice to both itself and all critical basketball minds.


Sep 13 2009

Yahoo! Position Eligibility Roundup

Phil Londen

With Yahoo! Fantasy Basketball up and running early this season, there is plenty of time to examine the data and prepare for drafts and the upcoming season. One important aspect to consider before drafting and assembling the perfect fantasy squad is position eligibility.

Positions

Each season is different and each season certain guys gain extra eligibility at a position you normally wouldn’t expect. Likewise, there are players that for some reason or another are missing a position eligibility they had last season or that they should have. Each fantasy sports provider has its own quirks and nuances and uses different criteria to make their position eligibility judgments. Make sure and examine your own provides list carefully.

Or, if you use Yahoo!, just continue reading. Your welcome.

Before getting into the nuts and bolts, take a step back and do some cursory research. Find out what the criteria are used to determine and assign position eligibility for your specific provider. The criteria will be laid out somewhere on their website. Or again, just continue reading.

Initial position eligibility for each player was determined based on past participation and information supplied by NBA teams during the off-season.

Players are eligible at one or more positions during the current Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Basketball season depending upon their real-life participation.

All position eligibility requests are reviewed by Yahoo! Sports and confirmed with our NBA sources. Due to the nature of the review process, we’re unable to comment on each individual player request.

Source: Yahoo!

So the eligibility is somewhat based upon real life and is subject to Yahoo!’s discretion. The Yahoo! Help page also lays out how position eligibility can be added throughout the regular season. This is also important to note because the eligibility is supposed to mirror real life to a certain degree. So when you see position changes in real life, Yahoo! is supposed to mimic that change as well.

Updates are made during the regular season based on changes to the lineups and official team rosters. Players don’t lose position eligibility when moving from one real-life position to another. So, if a forward starts to play regular shifts as a center, he’s eligible for the remainder of the season as a forward and a center.

New positions are added when it’s confirmed that a player’s primary position has changed and that the change is not expected to be a temporary one.

When a player has earned eligibility at a new position, it will be displayed wherever player positions are shown.

The key to Yahoo!’s in-season updates is that new position eligibility is to be assigned based upon permanent changes to a player’s primary position. With that in mind, don’t get too bogged down in the details. Just something to keep in  my mind as you review the position eligibility list. I definitely recommend perusing the list for yourself as different changes will stand out to different managers.

I reviewed the top 250 players (according to Yahoo!’s O-Rank) examining only their position eligibility. I compared their assigned eligibility to a combination of last season’s eligibility and my expected position eligibility for each player. Not exactly hard science. Then, each player was classified into groups.

Here are the results.

The Rookies

This season’s first pick overall, Blake Griffin (SF/PF), also provided the first eligibility surprise for rookies: small forward status. Griffin seemed a lock to gain power forward status but also could have been though of as a longshot for center eligibility if the Clippers decided to play small ball.  Small forward status is just icing on the cake as he is not pigeon-holed into the “PF only” category.

The next group of rookies contains players that obtained eligibility at both guard positions. This group includes Johnny Flynn (PG/SG); Stephen Curry (PG/SG); Tyreke Evans (PG/SG); and James Harden (PG/SG). Some of these are more surprising than others. In particular Flynn and Harden are both surprising but for different reasons; Flynn surprisingly gained shooting guard eligibility and Harden gained point guard eligibility.

The next two players’ eligibility was very surprising indeed. Both DeMar DeRozan (SG/SF/PF) and Terrence Williams (SG/SF/PF) were given eligibility at shooting guard and both forward positions. This means these two guys can be played at shooting guard, guard, small forward, power forward, forward or utility. Now that is versatility.

Other notables: Jordan Hill (SF/PF) and David Andersen (SF/PF).

Single Position Only

Of all the fantasy stars out there, no one gets overlooked and undervalued more often than Dirk Nowitzki (PF). That is scientific fact although no scientific studies were actually undertaken. Normally, it wouldn’t be surprising that Dirk only obtained power forward eligibility with his well-known preference to play the four and not the five. However, with Shawn Marion (SF/PF) on board, there is widespread speculation that Marion might spend some quality time at the four with Dirk at the five. Stay tuned and keep an eye out for added center eligibility for Nowitzki.

In an about face, the next guy is one guy people can’t stop talking about and overvaluing. As of now, Gilbert Arenas (PG) is slated to be have point guard eligibility only. While not entirely unexpected, it is important to note that and not rely on Agent Zero having dual guard eligibility.  In fact, it is probably a good idea not to rely on Arenas for anything.

Everyone’s hottest sleeper of the summer, Anthony Randolph (PF), has been given only eligibility at the four. This is surprising because of Randolph’s real life versatility. It is compounded by the fact that Anthony plays for Coach Don Nelson, who is known for his unconventional lineups and could potentially play three (or more) positions. For a system, that is supposed to mimic real life, Randolph having power forward eligibility only is certainly an airball on Yahoo!’s part.

Other notables: Kevin Garnett (PF); O.J. Mayo (SG); Trevor Ariza (SF); Shane Battier (SF) Kenyon Martin (PF); Yi Jianlian (PF); Keyon Dooling (PG); and Jose Juan Barea (PG).

Bonus Time!

Every season, there are a certain number of players that maintain eligibility for a certain position when the probably shouldn’t (bonus!). That is a great thing, because the more flexible your squad is the greater your chances of building a championship caliber squad are. This season, Kevin Durant (SG/SF) has maintained his shooting guard eligibility even though he has played almost totally at the three since Coach P.J. Carlesimo was fired early last season after a rocky start. The switch also coincides with the Durantula’s ascent to fantasy god status.

Similarly, Memphis’ Rudy Gay (SF/PF) plays almost exclusively at the three so the power forward eligibility can be viewed as an added bonus. With new addition and black hole Zach Randolph around, Gay will most likely spend even less time at the four next season (Darrell Arthur should also be picking up scrap minutes behind Z-Bo).

Other notables: Emeka Okafor (PF/C); Udonis Haslem (PF/C); and Darrell Arthur (PF/C).

Big Men with Small Forward Eligibility

This season, there is a group of big men that received small forward eligibility. For some, like Utah’s Paul Millsap (SF/PF), it comes as a surprise. If anything, Millsap should have eligibility at power forward and center, not small forward. But you can only hope that Yahoo! fixes that during the season, which would make Millsap extremely versatile with SF/PF/C eligibility.

Other notables: Tyrus Thomas (SF/PF); Jason Thompson (SF/PF) and Brandon Bass (SF/PF).

Point Guards with Shooting Guard Eligibility

The final group of players is guys who have eligibility at both guard positions. Most of these guys should come as now surprise, including the newest Timberwolf, Ramon Sessions (PG/SG). He should see some run at the two guard alongside rookie lotter selection Johnny Flynn. The real mystery is how Flynn walked away with eligibility at both guard positions but it’s usually a good idea to never question a good thing.

Other notables: Allen Iverson (PG/SG); Rodney Stuckey (PG/SG); Lou Williams (PG/SG); D.J. Augustin (PG/SG); and Rudy Fernandez (PG/SG).

A roundup like this is a useful reference but cannot subsitute for actually sitting down and reviewing the position eligibility list yourself. Take careful note of where eligibility assignments differ from your own opinion of position eligibility and keep these issues in mind when drafting.

The next step in breaking down the pre-draft data is scouring the Yahoo! O-Ranks and average draft position lists to see which players are being overvalued, undervalued and slept on.


Sep 11 2009

Trevor Who?

J.P. Guerra

It was just two short months ago that the basketball world stood still, as one of the most shocking and unexpected stories broke –- Trevor Ariza was going to be a Houston Rocket.

Ariza

OK, so it isn’t Yao Ming and his career threatening foot injury, or LeBron James blatantly talking about hinting that he might be looking somewhere other than Cleveland to set up court in 2010 (pardon the pun). But listening to all the hype, you would have thought that Trevor Ariza going to the Rockets was breaking news.

Hot off the presses type stuff. Ariza was the new media darling. And with that title came all the scrutiny and analysis of his decision to leave the World Champions.

Was it the right thing to do? Was he really feeling under appreciated in the locker room?

Or was he a victim of his own hype, all the while listening to his agent,  the “other” David Lee, dangle both virtue and dollar signs in front of him at the same time – “it was never about the money;” Lee said when interviewed, “it was about respect.”

Respect.

Fast-forward two months. LeBron James has “officially” put Dunk-gate to rest. Yao’s foot is miraculously healing well enough that he may even be able to come back as early as April of this season. And the Rockets, even though they are in rebuilding mode, are looking forward to a fast-paced, up-tempo, exciting brand of ball, while being led by the likes of Luis Scola and Shane Battier. One Houston beat writer even commented that Aaron Brooks might even be the Man.

Wait a minute! What ever happened to Trevor Ariza?

With positive medical news for both Tracy McGrady and Yao, the Trevor Ariza drama has simply vanished. Talk about respect. No more glitz and glamor, no more spotlight.

So what does this mean for Ariza, and more importantly for his impact in Houston?

There’s no denying the potential is there. As a bench guy, Ariza’s impact in L.A. was minimal. But towards the end of last season, when he became a starter, he excelled in a way that he had not done since, well… ever. Looking at splits, Ariza started 20 games for the Lakers averaging 10.1 points on .479/.806 percent shooting, 4.4 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.9 steals, 0.3 blocks and 1.1 turnovers per start.

His free throw percentage was actually fantastic considering the fact that he’s a career .661 percent free throw shooter. His 1.9 steals per game made him a defensive lock. And he did this all with only 28 minutes per game. Just thinking about what he could do with the consistent 30 plus minutes a night he should see in Houston makes fantasy owners drool with anticipation.

But that’s fantasy –- reality is a bit less cut-and-dry here.

First off, Ariza’s coming to a Rockets team that is missing its two All-Atar mainstays. Yao will be out indefinitely, that much we know – what we don’t know is what he’ll be like when he comes back. Common sense dictates that Yao should be fine, and he should come back strong for next season. Of course, common sense also dictated that Ariza stay in L.A., and that sure didn’t happen!

Then there’s the McGrady factor. Knee-Mac T-Mac is coming off a knee injury that kept coming back, eventually causing him to shut it down in the middle of February last season. He’s been working out with Chicago trainer Tim Grover (so hot right now), and all indications are that he’s ahead of schedule. Listening to the Rocket’s General Manager Daryl Morey you might even think he may be ready for the season opener.

Rockets general manager Daryl Morey was in Chicago recently, checking on the progress of Tracy McGrady. Morey told the Houston Chronicle that McGrady looked very good, and is “way, way ahead of schedule.”

“He’s already playing,” Morey said. “I don’t think anyone could have predicted he would be playing now. He still has a long way to go. There is a lot of rust to shake off.”

Source: Sporting News via Yahoo! Sports

So what do these two situations have to do with Trevor Ariza?

Well, nothing really – and then a lot.

Fantasy-wise, Ariza takes a hit offensively with a healthy Yao and T-Mac on the floor at the same time. But even though he loses offensive touches, it won’t cut into his playing time, so his defensive production should be as good or better than it was in L.A.

But given the circumstances of the upcoming season, Ariza should see a huge bump in value. It’s very possible that all of his stats could go up, with the exception of maybe field goal percentage. This loss in field goal efficiency could be due to the fact that he’s likely to take more shots than he usually would (thus taking worse shots) while also facing more defensive pressure than he’s ever faced in his five year career.

If he can keep his free throw shooting percentage up in the high seventies or low eighties, he becomes a very attractive pick-up who could give a fantasy team points,  threes, as well as those ever-elusive steals.

But if Trevor Ariza takes it upon himself to try and be the Man in Houston, those solid numbers that many are all expecting could go by the wayside. They may not even happen at all. And listening to some in the media, that may not be too far fetched of an idea. Two months ago, it was fresh on everyone’s mind:

Ariza’s only NBA mistake occurred this week, when he followed the lead of his misguided agent, David Lee. By joining the Rockets as a miscast free-agent star, the kid now faces the possibility of a career filled with disillusionment and mediocrity, not to mention anonymity.

Source: Los Angeles Times

And there’s where the reality sets in.

Ariza will not, and probably should not, be the main focus in Houston. That’s simply not his game. Once McGrady and eventually Yao return, Ariza should settle into a role of defensive stopper while providing outside shooting and slashing. It should be very similar to the role he had in L.A. with one exception – he’ll be seeing starter’s minutes. Quality starter’s minutes, not just the 28 minutes per game he got in Los Angeles. That is how Ariza flourishes on the basketball court.

Regardless of all the hype, regardless of all the mixed messages being sent by the Rockets, Ariza and the media, the bottom line is that fantasy owners need to enjoy it while it lasts, because Trevor Ariza may never have a better situation. Rocket fans, however, will need to understand that this team is going to struggle with everything –- winning, losing, identity — the whole nine yards.

But after this season, when the dust has settled and we’re all talking about the 2010 free agent class, Houston will have gained a valuable young role player and a proven Champion. It will be remarkably similar to Ariza’s role in L.A., except he’ll be starting and playing more than 28 minutes per night. And that will definitely be a great thing for him, for Rockets fans and for fantasy managers alike.

It’s all going to come down to how he responds. How he plays this season.

His actions and attitude will dictate whether people, both fantasy players and fans, take note of Trevor Ariza. Whether they file him away for future reference or put him on the top of their cheat sheets.

Whether or not by this time next year, they’ll be asking that same question.

Trevor who?